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IMO
Imediately go the the police station and file a complaint.
Tell them you want this on record and want a copy. You can even print one up, sign it and turn it in to the station where you live and ask them to fax it to that police station. Get an attorney regaurdless! It will be worth your money and time over the length of your possible insurance increase. If you can remember if you saw that hay wagon pull into a farm somewhere maybe take a road trip and ask if he remembered you doing anything wrong?
(The last one may be extreme but you can give the captain of that police station a line of shit anyway and tell him to go check with the farmer, tell him he will come to court if you ask him to cause you know the guy. I highly dought the station will check it out.
There is no way in hell I will ever accept a ticket again with out fighting it unless I was really really wrong! My last ticket was about 15 years ago and was out of town. I did not follow my advice I just gave you and paid for it for 3 years! That ticket sounds like a chump ass citation.
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Iowafun
{The cop was acting in avery goofy and confrontational manner. Definitely unprofessional, especially the way he backup and made as if to grab his weapon. Especially since you kept your hands on the wheel. It sounds like he has a problem and maybe shouldn't be having a gun and a badge.}
Unprofessional yes, but as for the rest of that I think the jury would still be out. Remember {this is for everyone out there} when you get stopped, dont play games or fiddle around with your hands looking for anything! Two things to think about.
1. This officer does not know if you just robbed a bank,conveint store or maybe just killed your girl friend and just happened to stop you for a traffic violation. Hence they need to always watch everymove no matter what you think. It has happened before where a officer stops someone and that person thinks they are doomed cause they done something else, maybe on probation ans will go to jail for a long time, those stops are deadly. That is one reason for being careful.
2. you dont know if he had just got a call or heard that they are looking for a white,male,5'10" with a mustache and a funny hat. If you fit that bill and the call was for you are possibly armed, you make a wrong move and even though he (the police man) may be wrong, you may be dead. so always listen to everything they say whether you think he is wrong or right.
I remember seeing a flier back in 1983 or 84, My dad brought it home for me to see. Out in NY city the latest craze was policemen stopping a suspect, telling them to keep their hands on the wheel in plain veiw. With you left hand slowly open the door. (The officer would be positioned along side the edge of the car or just behind the passenger side like they are supposed to be, gun drawn) You think your in total control till the door cracks open an inch or two and the suspect pulls a trip line with his foot, which fires the double barreled shot gun that is inserted in the door and now pointing right at you.) That is scary. So yes, I think he was wrong for the attitude as described but as for covering his weapon and backing up slowly?? NOPE I think he was being cautious and to tell you the truth maybe even just wants to make sure he goes home everynight.
I have the utmost respect for policemen, you could not pay me twice what they get and do that job. NEVER! On the other hand there are always the few that let it go to their heads and have the barney fife attitude.
I feel you done the exact right thing, but asap I would document what happened and make a report. You dont know? Maybe there have been other complaints about this guy in the past and if you dont tell your side and complain this will continue?
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Ncrunch32
Many years ago I worked third shift in a gas and grocery store as a partime second job. The funnest times of my life I think watching all the drunks come in. (now I know what I used to look like) Many times we would have drive offs AND WE HAD NO CAMERAS BACK THEN. Now a day in many places your covered by that fact alone. You never called in a car unless you were sure who done it not to mention when the car takes off you still have all the "payers" there. That gas staion attendant was way out of line. Good thing your on it with the change. When paying with cah one should always ask for a reciept.
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Police make mistakes, no dought about that, they are human and in many cases under a hell of alot of stress and pressure from all angles. If they use any force at all on a minority the video cameras start rolling. If they use too much force they are under suspition. If they dont use enough force and have a weapon took from them they are dead,wounded or wrote up for letting this happen. If they stop you, they were wrong, you didnt do it, if they dont stop the guy infront of you, they were wrong. If they are going to a call with out lights and sirens (for obvious reasons in some circumstances) and they pass you or turn on his lights at the stop sign and blow thru it, then the idiots say," he is abusing his powers probably late for supper. If they shoot some one for ANY reason they are under investigation and on desk duty till reviewed. If they even pull their gun, they are reveiwed . (Thank god for pepper spray eh) If they are on the side of the road doing paper work, then folks say," they are sluffing off" If they stop too many, then they are assholes. If they put their hand on their gun (for their safety) then they are intimidating or over using his power. When off duty if he steps in to break up a fight, folk say he is throwing his weight around. If he does not step in on a altercation off duty then he is not holding up the honor of the job. He arrests someone and is told by the cuffed crimminal that when he gets out of jail he is going to rape his daughter, screw his mother, slice up his wife etc etc. But god forbid if he makes a mistake.
One thing we all need to remember is that a very high percent of these guys just want to go home after work. Yes there are a few that feed on getting involved, that is the exception to the rule. How many of you would like to be able to lose your career, (Not your job but your entire career) if when off the clock you dont do something right or worse yet, you make a wrong decision trying to help someone else? Just about NONE of us here have any idea what kind of pressures theses guys go thru day in and out. Every time you stop someone you may DIE! EVERYTIME! You have no idea what this guy just done that maybe is the reason he is passing a car and speeding. You stop him for this and he thinks your stopping him for the crime he just done.
Yes it's easy to rip on the police, if your car is getting broke into and you call and they dont get there right away, or your wife hears something downstairs and calls 911, cowering in her bedroom hoping they get there imediately. Funny how the only time we like the police is when we need them.
Not saying you are not right in this instance, I am saying that all of a sudden the topic has took a turn towards bashing the police and many of them are bad. Remember that the next time you see lights turning on and off in your house from the street and have to decide if you want to go in there and stop this guy yourself or if you would rather call that cop that dont know what he is doing and took that test 3 times before he finally passed?
Tom Lukawski
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jwngei
I was not going off, I hope you did not take it that way. It sounded like this was going to go down the road of gang banging the police. I dont do that. Yes we are at their mercy on the roads but like Archdean said, you take it to the courts and see what happens. My guess at worst you get it knocked down and at best its gone. A lawyer would seal the deal but then you have that added cost. The way insurance payments are though it may be worth your time and money. IMHO I think it will be worth it. I swore I would never eat a ticket again in my life after the last one years and years ago.
I was traveling just south of Madison Wi. On 94. It was 2:30 Am (I was sobor too!) I was going to my land up north with the wife in the car sleeping. It was raining to beat all hell and I was doing 80! (back then limit was still 55 on I-94) For what ever reason (I think she woke a bit) I slowed it down to 74. Wouldnt you know it there he was. He stopped me and told me I was getting a ticket! What did I want? Speeding at 76mph or driving to fast for conditions? I told him I was doing 72? He said, ok that seals it your getting too fast for conditions. I thought great! Wrong try 4pts and $96. Here was my bitch. On one ticket he put speeding 74 in a 55 and anouther he put DTF for cond. One was the court hearing and the other was the actual ticket. Of course I did not fight it would of cost me a lawyer or a day off work. Big mistake! Insurance found out about it and I paid extra for the next 3 years. I was wrong but he was a PUNK! There were NO cars ahead or behind me for atleast a mile! I admit it, I was wrong but he was a PUNK! I was ploite couteous and had no record of tickets and really at 2:30 how many guys would be sober that he would stop anyway? 
Thats my story and Im sticking to it!
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I feel for you!
Right now (last fall) my buddy told me about 4mph is all that is relatively safe to exceed the limit by on hy 27. by my place. Alot has to do with how much pressure is on to slow the traffic down IE:write citations. Since he patrols that part of the state highway and is a state patrol I trust his words.! He said that you can get away with more but you are asking for trouble and depending on the work load or his assignment it is very risky to exceed by more than 4mph.
I have not asked or checked in a few years but the last time they raised the cost of fines here in our state (and I am going on memory) If I remember right if you get a ticket doing 66 in a 65 mph zone, it was around $111! That was about 5 years ago (If I remember right anyway)
I believe if your going 56 in a 55 it was less. Same amount over the legal limit but less of a citation.
All I can say is that I either have been aweful lucky or just plain old got smarter the older I got. I religously speed and many time it is well over the limit since I put on 25K miles a year I may be just picking the right times and places on the highways/feeways. One thing I do not do is speed in town (too much anyway) and I definately do not speed on the smaller highways that are posted at 55. Those doggies are just money makers around here!
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Drankin
I did not know you were a officer at one time. My hats off to you! More job than I would want. You may appreciate this little story that I was told by one of my dads old partners. he said, " I remember the first year you dad was on the force. We just arrested a guy for assualt with a weapon. When we were processing the guy back at the station the guy told your dad that when he got out, he was going to (I dont want to post what he said but it was all kinds of things to my mom and also to his kids)
%^&^&*% to his family. Your dad had never heard this kind of talk in his life and did not realize that this was a common occurance after an arrest." He said, "your father threw the guy out the first floor window (At that time the building was kinda like a bylevel house and the window was only 5 feet off the ground and it was a window that vented open, so the window was not broke, just the screening was)
He told me that they had to actually put my dad in a cell till he calmed down, he was going to kill the guy!
That story came from a partner of my dad and was retold at my dads funeral to my sister who had never heard it before. (I heard that story before because we used to deer hunt together)
This is why I give policemen all the repect I possibly can along with the benifit of the dought most of the time. They have to be above the rest of society now a day and show more restraint and profesionalism than I ever could imagine myself haveing. If my father would of done what he done back in 1958 today, he would lose his job or worse. The restarint shown by most officers is unparreleled by most of today's society.
Like I said, I tip my hat to you for doing a job that is so drastically needed yet many times is publically insulted by folks that do not know what the job really involves day in and day out.
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